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NeverConvex
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Oh that's interesting; is this something that will pop up on a lazy google, or there a specific source you have in mind? |
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Gamen
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I've never seen a source given for the claim that it's religious groups driving it all. They certainly do petitions and such, but.... There's this old article that's referenced by the wiki's article on Patreon: https://www.engadget.com/2015-12-02-paypal-square-and-big-bankings-war-on-the-sex-industry.html Patreon also has an interest in protecting its brand. And payment processors also don't like to deal with porn because of the risk - shady or outright criminal operators, chargebacks when a spouse/significant other/parent(!) sees the credit card statement, or when the purchaser themself goes into it planning to defraud the operator, actual stolen credit cards... Patreon has been this way for... basically a decade due perhaps in part to Paypal, but this most recent wave might be due more to PornHub's slimey behavior than any religious group's influence. Just speculation. |
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Millhi
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That's false. You're confusing that bit with the paypal ban for R18 content which was a surprise in itself how long they were able to evade that. But Visa/Mastercard are still allowed. https://official-en.fanbox.cc/posts/7641565 And only applies to new users. |
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nyaa
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It's really simple-you want hentai doujinshi or x rated fanpics go to the appropriate website.
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juaifan
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All of the Japanese artists I follow have moved on from Pixiv ages ago due to their continued changes and decline. At best they'll upload a compilation of the last 30ish drawings they did in one upload just to archive them there. Otherwise I mostly see them on social media, Fantia, Nijie, a personal site, or some other place.
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King Chicken
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It just sounds like anti-religious conspiracy nonsense. Companies not wanting to be associated with porn is extremely common and it's not because everyone is being controlled by a secret religious organization from the shadows. In the past when Nintendo and Disney fired employees who did OnlyFans it was about a company that markets itself as family friendly and to children not wanting to be associated with porn because it's bad for PR, not because it violated their religious beliefs or anything. Pornhub's initial content cleanse and drop from MasterCard and Visa was because 50+ women came out to sue the company for hosting content of them without their consent on there i.e. revenge porn. In addition some of their content may have featured minors Payment companies get scared hearing that because being associated with that would be terrible PR so they dropped the site. So PornHub went on a purge for all non-verified content in response to try to make amends. It had nothing to do with religion, but women being hurt. Plenty of non-religious or even anti-religious people complain about fictional content all the time. All the people who equate loli with child pornography are only helping these payment companies by giving them fuel to use against websites like Pixiv by equating the two together. No payment processor wants to be know for helping fund child pornography even if it's not true. |
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Rosiero
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MasterCard is closely associated with NCOSE, a religious anti-porn organization.
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Lady Multi
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Hn...No, depicting minors in sexual situations (loli/shota) is actually ILLEGAL in the US. It's an act that passed in 2003. ((Prohibits drawings, sculptures, and pictures of such drawings and sculptures depicting minors in actions or situations that meet the Miller test of being obscene)). People HAVE gotten arrested and jailed for importing loli. Some of the other items cover extreme sexual violence and, most importantly, DEEPFAKES (AKA revengepron). They're converging bases... And just because you THINK it's free speech to view it does not remove that people have been caught, arrested, and jailed in the US for owning these items they are banning from US users. Saying "We don't allow you" means that THEY, the website, cannot get sued and brought into any lawsuit if you do chose to ignore it. EDIT: and as I said, very hard to enforce as most people have old JP accounts. I joined the site before ENG was a viable language so it likely things I am a JP user and I am in the US. Last edited by Lady Multi on Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:53 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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FishLion
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I know the payment companies did this and not Pixiv, but I hate how common an issue it is a common issue with platforms becoming big. They start with a dedicated but small following until they hit the tipping point where they need to be advertiser friendly, then suddenly the people that built them into a respectable platform are shunted for idiotic reasons. Payment processing companies are the worst for this sort of trend because there is such a large group of people who love to crusade against benign content and if anyone starts a petition with a spicy name then it is so easy to get some group of people to harass the companies, as if pushing credit card companies enough would stop exploitation on the internet. It's the same way that people waved the flag of SESTA/FOSTA saying that it will stop sex trafficking when it primarily removed sex worker's access to safe communications platforms by making those sorts of interactions illegal and forcing websites to crack down on them.
People get all amped up to stop exploitative content and end up either causing harm while changing nothing because they are so blindly against the something without any expertise or doing something that makes old puritanical types feel they did something with no real affect (like patting themselves on the back for reducing access to porn with that recent age verification law when anyone with an interest is definitely old enough to understand and download a VPN) |
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Nigel Planter
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I find this hard to believe given the amount of this stuff I see American artists openly draw and post on the internet without a care in the world on public social media platforms. Now I could believe there's a specific law about using the mail service to transport it internationally or something like alcohol or drugs are subject to though. |
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Gamen
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PROTECT Act of 2003. It's technically only "obscene" depictions that are illegal. Meaning what's illegal is entirely subjective and up to personal preference. A gray area. |
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FishLion
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What I heard is that law is very narrowly defined outside of the gray area, as in it very clearly outlaws depictions meaning "depicting an actual minor who exists in reality" even if it is art not based on real images, but is much less clear about characters who are children but have never existed in actual reality. I would be interested if anyone knew more, because the last I heard someone was arrested and plead guilty for receiving R-18 magazines but there has never been a case prosecuted successfully without a plea bargain, and thus there is no 100% clear precedent (unless someone knows about more recent cases) |
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